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  • PokerStars Processing Cashouts, Slowly

    PokerStars Processing Cashouts, Slowly

    Since Black Friday, the online poker world has had two basic concerns – one short term and one long term.

    The long term concern is about the uncertain future of the game in the United States.  Will online poker ever get the national go-ahead along with federal regulation?  Will state governments butt heads with the federal government on the legality issue?  Will under the radar real-money sites continue to operate, or was the takedown of the big three a sign of things to come?

    The more immediate concern has been about the money.  Many if not most serious online poker players have some degree of funds tied up in either PokerStars, Absolute Poker or Full Tilt.  Concerns that the money might have simply disappeared were partially assuaged last week when the U.S. government reached domain name agreements with PokerStars and Full Tilt to allow to facilitation of returns.

    It looks as though PokerStars is now beginning the process of cashing out American players.

    According to Bluff, PokerStars representative Steve Day announced in the Two Plus Two PokerCast (a podcast) yesterday that payouts could begin as early as yesterday the 26th in the best-case scenario.  From Bluff:

    In an interview for the Two Plus Two PokerCast, PokerStars representative Steve Day announced that US players may be able to start processing cashouts starting Tuesday in a best-case scenario. Reports from players attempting to cash out after hearing the announcement noticed several different options available: Wire transfer (minimum $50,000), Check (up to $2,500), and Cashout Request to Direct Bank Transfer. The latter method states processing will take up to 72 hours with payment appearing in player’s bank accounts within five business days.

    UPDATE: Selecting the “Cashout Request to Direct Bank Transfer” option now asks for additional banking information.

    And apparently they have begun. PokerNews reported that sure enough, when they logged into their PokerStars account they were greeted with a pop up that said, “ We are pleased to announce that the Cash Out option in the PokerStars Cashier is now available.”  They were also told to expect delays in processing and delivering of funds.

    CardPlayer posted a copy of the email sent to PokerStars players:

    In light of recent developments, PokerStars is no longer offering real money play to residents of the United States of America and its territories.

    The PokerStars Cashier is now available for you to cash out the funds in your real money account balance. We strongly recommend that you use the bank transfer option; to use it, you will need to have your current banking information at hand.

    Please note that due to the expected high volume of cashout requests, we anticipate a delay in processing and delivery of your funds. Rest assured that your funds are safe and we will process your request as soon as possible.

    Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.

    Thank you for your patience and understanding.

    So it looks like PokerStars users can proceed with extracting their winnings.  Although if you believe in jinxing, well, you might want to leave just a fraction of your funds in the account, as a good faith measure that the service will be up and running soon as the federal government extricates its head from its ass.

    Some in the poker world are a bit concerned about the cashout process.  But c’mon, BJ! Don’t freak everyone out…geez.

    Before requesting a direct bank transfer, remember that you’re dealing w/ an overseas company indicted for bank fraud. 19 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone · powered by @socialditto

    Let me clarify — I am very confident that people who request a direct bank transfer from PokerStars *will* get their money back. 18 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone · powered by @socialditto

  • Online Poker Update: Arraignments, Downsizing and Alternatives

    Well, it’s been a little over a week since the DOJ brought the hammer down on popular online poker sites PokerStars, Absolute Poker and Full Tilt Poker.  The last 10 days have been filled with concern from amateur and professional players alike, as everyone wonders what the landscape of internet poker in the U.S will look like in the upcoming months.  As of today, it looks like everyone is still feeling the effects of the domain seizures and subsequent indictments.

    Where’s my money?

    As we told you last week, the U.S. government, PokerStars and Full Tilt poker reached domain name agreements a few days after the initial crackdown.  As part of those agreements, the .com domains for those sites will be restored in order to “facilitate returns of U.S. player funds.”

    As of today, however, cash-outs are not yet available to U.S. players.  On the Pokerstars.com homepage, they link to a FAQ section that details where the company stands on money returns:

    Your account balance is completely safe. You will be allowed to cash out your balance.

    PokerStars has reached an agreement with the US Department of Justice that will allow players to cash out as soon as a suitable processor is found. This publically available agreement includes assurances from the DOJ that player cashouts can be processed safely. Cashouts for US residents are expected to be available within several weeks.

    The Cash Out option in the PokerStars Cashier will temporarily be unavailable, to allow us to prepare the technical solutions and formulate the plan and processes required to allow you to cash out your balance. We will notify all US players as soon as this option is available again.

    Providing you with the facility to cash out is our top priority right now, and hopefully US players will be able to cash out via the PokerStars Cashier in the near future.

    Cashouts that have already been requested will be reversed and postponed to a later date, when they become available for everyone.  Money transfers to other players are also prohibited at this time.

    Notably left out of that domain agreement announcement last week was Absolute Poker and its Ultimate Bet brand.  Since that announcement they have issues a statement regarding similar actions:

    Absolute Poker has retained Blank Rome LLP as United States counsel to provide legal advice in relation to civil and criminal matters filed in federal court in Manhattan and made public on April 15, 2011. Absolute Poker is aware that on April 19, 2011, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York entered into separate agreements with FullTilt Poker and PokerStars. These agreements concern the use of the respective www.fulltiltpoker.com and www.pokerstars.com domain names. The US Attorney, in a press release dated April 20, 2011, stated that the government is willing to enter the same agreement with Absolute Poker and UB.

    Hopefully these refunds won’t take too long to begin.  Some people I know just might have rent money tied up in these sites. Ahem.

    Real-Life Aftermath

    Moving slightly away from the online impacts, Black Friday has led to some notable repercussions among the non-virtual world.  In the wake of the takedown, ESPN pulled poker advertising and certain televised poker events from its programming.  The PokerStars-sponsored North American Poker Tour as well as advertising paid for by online poker sites was axed.  The World Series of Poker will air as scheduled, however, to the collective delight of poker fans.

    ESPN was not the only network to pull programming, as Fox and Game Show Network followed suit.  Fox pulled PokerStars’ The Big Game and Million Dollar Challenge while GSN has relegated its High Stakes Poker to only one night, Saturday from 10 pm to 3 am.

    Some bricks-and-mortar tournaments have either been cancelled outright or downsized significantly.  Full Tilt’s Onyx Cup has cancelled its first two Las Vegas events and the World Team Poker championships in Vegas have been postponed.

    Some online tourneys have reduced their prize pools significantly, for example Full Tilt’s FTOPS XX kicked off Saturday with a prize pool guarantee of $13 million as opposed to the original $38 million.  PokerStars’ SCOOP series downgraded from $45 million to $25 million guaranteed.  Thanks to Bluff Magazine for this tidbit.

    Also, out of the 11 people officially indicted on April 15th, three have been arraigned and entered not guilty pleas.  These three include Utah bank exec John Campos and payment processors Chad Elie and Bradley Franzen.

    Well, I still wanna play…what do I do now?

    Even if the targeted sites being processing payouts soon, they have completely lost the ability to allow real-money play and to accept deposits. Playing on those sites isn’t an option.  Where else to get your fix?  Bluff has compiled a list of sites unaffected by this recent crackdown, many of which are offering deposit bonuses up to 200%.  These sites include DoylesRoom.com, PPNPoker.com and Bodog.com.

    This obviously raises the question of security.  It’s fair to wonder how long these sites have before something similar to Black Friday happens to them.  But to the poker players with the cojones to pony up cash at this time, there are options.

    As one commenter put it, “I think the best thing Poker players can do is flood these sites. If we force the government to play whack a mole… eventually this will force their hand into sensible legislation. If whenever they succeed at bringing one or two down, and others immediately arrive to fill the vacuum, they may soon see it as an overall losing battle with us.  I, for one, will be playing in a few of these rooms and hope to see many US and world players there”

    Right on soldier.  I must confess that I may, unfortunately, lack the gumption to follow in those brave footsteps.  As hard as it is, the right thing might be to wait this one out – if only for a bit.  Or maybe I am over-thinking this, so…shuffle up and deal?

    The Good, the Bad and the Funny…ish

    The immediate aftermath saw poker lovers take to social media to vent their frustration, attempt to calm people down or to kick the online poker community while it was down.  The response has continued to be interesting if nothing else.

    U.S. representative Barney Frank, always highly quotable, chastised the Justice Department and the White House for what he feels is a waste of resources and screwed up priorities.  He said the administration is “protecting the public from the scourge of inside straights” and asked that they “go after the people responsible for empty house, not full house.” (Yuk yuk)

    While the poker-twitterverse has calmed, high profile individuals are still snark-tastic.  Take for instance Norman Chad’s tweet from earlier today:

    If Obama played online poker, I guarantee you the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York would’ve been shut down. 3 hours ago via web · powered by @socialditto

    The blame Obama train has seen its share of boarders.  Along with some representatives in Congress and Norman Chad, there’s this, whatever it is:

    Where do you stand with all the online poker hullabaloo? Will you play at an alternate site or wait it out? What do you think the future looks like for the game? This writer is feeling somewhat of a rare emotion for him – optimism. Are you?

  • Poker Domains to be Restored for Money Returns

    Poker Domains to be Restored for Money Returns

    Well, this is good news.

    The U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York has just released a statement detailing agreements reached between the U.S. government and embattled online poker sites PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker.

    The poker sites have agreed to enter domain-name use agreements with the United States.  As part of this agreement, the domains PokerStars.com and Fulltiltpoker.com will be restored in order to “facilitate return of U.S. player funds.”

    The statement attempts to make clear that Friday’s indictments for fraud and money laundering never in fact barred the refunding of player funds – the companies have always been free to reimburse players.  With this agreement, however, player refunds will be facilitated by the U.S. government reinstating the .com domains.

    The Complaint, a related Indictment, and a related Restraining Order issued against multiple bank accounts utilized by the companies and their payment processors do not prohibit the companies from refunding players’ money. Nevertheless, this agreement will facilitate the return of money so that players can register their refund requests directly with Pokerstars and Full Tilt Poker.

    No individual player accounts were ever frozen or restrained, and each implicated poker company has at all times been free to reimburse any player’s deposited funds. In fact, this Office expects the companies to return the money that U.S. players entrusted to them, and we will work with the poker companies to facilitate the return of funds to players, as today’s agreements with PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker demonstrate.

    The agreement explicitly bars the sites from facilitating online poker for real money within the U.S. and disallows deposits.  Foreign players are encouraged to keep on playing.

    The agreements allow for PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker to use the pokerstars.com and fulltiltpoker.com domain names to facilitate the withdrawal of U.S. players’ funds held in account with the companies. The deposit of funds by U.S. players is expressly prohibited. In addition, the agreements do not prohibit, and, in fact, expressly allow for, PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker to provide for, and facilitate, players outside of the United States to engage in playing online poker for real money.

    Thanks to Kevin Mathers of Bluff Magazine for alerting to this on Twitter:

    directly from DOJ, the press release – http://is.gd/6UYjGv 28 minutes ago via TweetDeck · powered by @socialditto

  • “Poker Players Are Victims” Says Raymer

    The relationship between online poker players and bricks and mortar poker players is often times a complicated one.  While some professional players have embraced the online game in both advertising and by playing on the sites themselves, some have yet to give online players legitimacy.  Following last Friday’s online poker indictments, many professionals took the opportunity to bash online players on Twitter.

    Greg Raymer is no such opportunistic basher.  Last night he appeared on the Fox Business channel to discuss Friday’s online poker indictments and defended the online poker community.

    Raymer, of course, is the 2004 World Series of Poker Champion.  A former patent attorney, Raymer is credited by some with re-igniting the poker craze in America with his unlikely win in 2004.  After winning the WSOP Main Event in 2004, Raymer finished 25th in 2005.  When you consider that the 2005 WSOP Main Event had 5,619 participants, its easy to see why some herald this two year run as one of the great achievements in poker.

    Up until very recently, Raymer was a member of Team PokerStars Pro.  Raymer and PokertStars parted ways due to a contract dispute, way before Friday’s indictments.

    On Fox Business, Raymer spoke briefly about Friday’s incidents.  On the program he said that he doesn’t think online poker is illegal under federal laws, or even New York state laws where the charges were filed for that matter.

    Raymer discusses why poker should fall into the “skill game” category like a golf or tennis tourney instead of the “gambling” category like slots or roulette.  He states that online poker has no victims, but with Friday’s actions poker players are now the victims.

    Raymer also feels that the federal government has so much invested in online poker investigations that they needed something to show for it:

    “It’s really just a money grab I think. I would estimate the Department of Justice and the FBI has literally put tens of thousands of man hours and therefore millions of dollars into their investigation leading up to this indictment. They could have spent all that time and money getting people who are actually doing evil in the world.”

    Yesterday, we told you about ESPN pulling certain poker advertising and programming.  Based on tweets from an ESPN poker editor, we suspected that the WSOP was safe from this content pull.  Bloomberg has confirmed via ESPN spokesman email that the network will air the WSOP starting in July.

     

  • ESPN Drops Poker Programming

    ESPN Drops Poker Programming

    It looks as though the strike against online poker is now beginning to affect professional televised poker as well. According to Bloomberg, the unchallenged American sports authority ESPN is going to remove poker content from its networks.

    The network, based in Bristol, Connecticut, said this to Bloomberg in an email:

    “We are aware of the indictment only through what has been announced publicly. For the immediate future, we are making efforts to remove related advertising and programming pending further review.”

    Of course this announcement comes on the heels of “Poker’s Black Friday.” Eleven executives were indicted for fraud and violation of internet anti-gambling laws and 76 bank accounts associated with PokerStars, Absolute Poker and Full Tilt Pokerwere frozen.  The FBI also seized five different .com domains associated with the companies.

    The extent of the content scheduled to be pulled by ESPN is unclear.  Removing advertising is an obvious move, as much of it is related to online poker sites.  What poker programming will stay and what will go is of great concern to poker fans, as the popular World Series of Poker is set to air on the network this summer.

    ESPN.com’s poker editor Andrew Feldman has tweeted that WSOP events will not be removed, only North American Poker Tour (NAPT) events.  NAPT is a fledgling professional tour sponsored by PokerStars.

    NAPT, not WSOP. RT “@coryalbertson: @ESPN_Poker I thought you said ESPN wasn’t cutting new Main Event productions? http://bit.ly/gukY94 3 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® · powered by @socialditto

    Many professional players show up to the WSOP basically dressed as walking billboards for online poker sites.  I wonder how many of them will be dressed this year.  Will ESPN have any sort of limit to this type of advertising?

    What do you think of ESPN’s move? Let us know.

  • PokerStars, Steve Wynn Cut Ties

    PokerStars, Steve Wynn Cut Ties

    On March 25th of this year, Vegas Billionaire Steve Wynn announced that he was entering into a partnership with the world’s largest online poker site, PokerStars. After Friday’s government seizure of Pokerstars.com and the subsequent indictment of it’s owners, the casino superstar announced that the partnership has been abandoned.

    As most of you know, the world of online poker has been living in a legal grey area for quite some time. After the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA) was passed as a rider on another bill, it prohibited transactions between online poker sites and American financial institutions. This obviously puts a damper on the whole operation.

    However, many popular sites have been able to get around some regulations by hosting poker games offshore. The real-money transactions for the sites have shifted from direct deposits through VISA and Mastercard to more roundabout methods using bank accounts and offshore deposits. Friday’s indictment of 11 online poker executives claims that they tricked and bribed American banks into receiving online gambling profits.

    Only a few weeks ago, it seemed as though the legitimacy of online poker in America was about to receive a gigantic boost. Steve Wynn decided to attach himself to PokerStars in an effort to get legislation through congress that would regulate online poker. Once that was achieved, the plans were to launch PokerStarsWynn.com as a fully legal and regulated online poker site. From Wynn Resorts, March 25th:

    The companies will first work to secure the passage of federal legislation that will finally and conclusively define illegal internet gambling, provide law enforcement with the tools necessary to stop illegal internet gambling, protect consumers by establishing a robust regulatory environment for the safe operation of online poker by experienced operators, and establish a regime for the assessment and collection of taxes.

    The above statement is interesting because it separates “internet gambling” from “online poker.”  This echoes a main argument from proponent of online poker; poker is not gambling, it is an exercise in skill.  This distinction is what many advocates lean on when discussing the legality of online poker.

    “After much study, we are convinced that the lack of regulation of internet gaming within the US must change. We must recognize that this activity is occurring and that law enforcement does not have the tools to stop it. As a company that has safely conducted gaming in the US for more than 40 years, we believe that the same can be done for poker on the internet,” said Wynn.

    Contingent on the acquisition of regulation legislation, this partnership looked like a behemoth in the making.  It really looked like it had huge implications for the poker world.

    Note the use of the past tense, as following the indictments of the PokerStars execs, Wynn announced that he is cutting ties with the company, thus ending a huge venture before it even started.

    From an official release:

    Wynn Resorts, Limited announced today that it terminated its alliance with PokerStars, the online poker company. The decision was reached as a result of the indictment unsealed by the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York.

    This should come as no surprise, as any involvement with a company under such government scrutiny amounts to an extremely toxic relationship.  If and when these online poker sites get back on their feet, it will be interesting to see who jumps for the opportunity to legitimize the game.  If the legal part of it can be worked out, whoa momma is there a lot of money to be made for those involved. 

  • Poker World Tweets: Scared, Bored & Snarky

    Poker World Tweets: Scared, Bored & Snarky

    What a day last Friday was for the poker world!  As you probably already know, the online poker realm was rocked when the FBI suddenly seized popular .com sites PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker in a crackdown of what they feel are “illegal gambling rings.”  Although there is no shortage of people who disagree with that assessment, the Department of Justice is nevertheless pursuing charges of fraud against the owners of the sites.

    The poker world reacted the the news on Friday with a mix of shock, fear and snarkiness. Many poker pros lamented the move as bad for the game of poker while others took the opportunity to rib online players for never anteing up at a real table. As the Twitterverse filled up with chatter, a few hashtags became popular : #blackfriday #pokerpanic #pokerpocalypse

    In the early moments of the breaking news, some players tried to settle the masses by reminding them that freaking out was probably not the best response:

    I don’t know any more than you guys do. I suggest following people like @ESPN_Poker and @GaryWise1 for news updates. Try not to freak out.. 2 days ago via web · powered by @socialditto

    Pro Vanessa Selbst suggested an alternative to freaking out…activism. She tweeted a link to Tweet For Poker, an initiative from the Poker Players Alliance that asks people to tweet their support for online poker to their representatives in Congress.  On the site you can also see tweets rolling in on a real-time map from around the country.

    Freaking out will not help!We need2get online poker legalized NOW.The past is the past,let’s look to the future http://www.tweetforpoker.com 2 days ago via web · powered by @socialditto

    Support for the online poker community came in heartfelt, genuine statements as well as more humorous ones:

    Can’t seem to get rid of the pit in my stomach. My ♥ goes out to all the online pros…… 14 hours ago via web · powered by @socialditto

    It’s my right 2 smoke a blunt, abort a baby, marry a girl & play online poker. Quit telling me what 2 do with my $ or body. FU 2 days ago via web · powered by @socialditto

    if the owners of Tilt go to prison, they should be able to beat the poker games. They’ll all clean up. 2 days ago via web · powered by @socialditto

    Of course, some poker pros have always looked on online players with derision because many of them fail to have live poker experience. The Twitter response included plenty of these types of comments, coming from lesser known pros as well as Big Papa Mr. 10-2 himself, Doyle Brunson:

    it appears that most former online pros have been forced into finding a new profession, drinking. 2 days ago via TweetDeck · powered by @socialditto

    Now maybe we will see if these online “superstars” can play real poker. Ante up suckers! 2 days ago via web · powered by @socialditto

    A bunch of unabashed, unshaven, unkempt, undateable 22-year-olds who haven’t been outside in 4½ years just showed up at my local poker room. 22 hours ago via web · powered by @socialditto

    On Saturday, the official PokerStars Twitter account attempted to reassure players that their money was both still present and safe:

    2) Please be assured, players balances are safe, there is no cause for concern 2 days ago via HootSuite · powered by @socialditto

    3) For players outside the US, its business as usual 2 days ago via HootSuite · powered by @socialditto

    Finally, perhaps my favorite Black Friday Poker Apocalypse tweet comes from the purveyor of many of my favorite tweets, Steve Martin:

    Illegal online tweet Poker: I have a King, a Six, an Ace, a Club and a Jack of deuces. I bet a dollar. 21 hours ago via web · powered by @socialditto

    How do you feel about “Poker’s Black Friday?” What were some of your favorite reactions? Let us know